Why indymedia is needed: "Hackney Council decided, without consultation, to withdraw the travel passes for the majority of disabled people in the borough. An announcement on Indymedia, calling for a meeting at Chat's Palace of disabled people, escalated and 150 people turned up. Hackney Council had no idea passions were so high and changed their stupid policy. For quite a few years afterwards disabled people used Indymedia to inform and mobilise and get things done!" 5Anna Boyle, David Roberts and 3 others 4 comments
Q. And what makes you think that couldn't, wouldn't and doesn't happen on platforms like Twitter or Facebook? Indymedia had a Tony reach, a very limited and self selecting user group. The most read articles on IMC UK would be seen by perhaps 800 people - most would be lucky to be read by a tenth of that. It was a fantastic project that had it's moment, failed to adapt, and withered away as an activist ghetto it never broke free from (nor desired to do so).
A. Have you seen how the fedvers works, tiny is the new good in a federated world. this is a mainstream view, evern twitter is now saying this.
A."For quite a few years afterwards disabled people used Indymedia to inform and mobilise and get things done!" its an activits project, getting 150 people riled up on #failbook is pointless thing to do. Getting normal people near direct action is a powerfull thing to do.
A. Indymedia coverage on the big days of action was huge, coming close to the scale of the BBC when the project was fresh many years ago. A different scale example day in day out it shaped local news stories at https://oxford.indymedia.org.uk/ I know because I used to answer the phone calls from the local journos at OCSET actually the couch there was donated by a local journalist from I think the oxford mail as our coverage allowed her to push away from the right wing agenda using indymedia as a positive source. Just 2 examples of meany.
Q. um, your critique of people who might have serious critiques of the tech environments ( i.e. the "cybernetic regime" + "technofascism" as related to the material requirements for ALL high tech industries ) as a whole ( is hardly in all cases, a zero/negative understanding )... i appreciate the work you are doing, but would advise you keep your EARS open to those who understand things that maybe you don't... and best wishes for the #4opens work!
A. The problem with this is that in the way you seem to understand it and definitely in the way you SAY it is simply irrelevant to what we are trying to build with the #OMN could not say this in a more direct and simple way. It's very basic stuff, think we all agree with what you are saying, but the is little common understanding of its relevance as you say it for #OMN and #indymedia reboot. Q. Why are these #fashernist agenders talking about the #dotcons relevant to a human moderated #4opens grassroots on the ground media network? please think before answering.
A. It always surprises me anew when people show they have zero/negative understanding of the power and empowerment of DIY grassroots organizing in the area of tech. When am actively, not to say a bit annoyingly, doing open process to be meet with "you just wont to be king" is a easy to understand indictment of the people shouting. Its basic stuff to hear them saying i wont to be king NOT YOU. Which of course ignores the DIY grassroots part in that the is NO KING in the #4opens world ;)
As I keep saying, in an annoying way, its basic stuff.
Q. I think it is quite hard to understand horizontal organising if you have not experienced it. But the "bit annoyingly" part should not be underestimated. If people feel you are talking down to them it will be hard to get them to believe it is horizontal.
A. I have reached out as far as I can from the #geekproblem side and a minority of the "normal world" needs to reach across to hold this bridge in place as we slowly add the struts and support into place to keep the thing standing when we relax for a moment. That's just a first step, it gets easier after this from the geekside. BUT much harder from the "normal world" social and political side. One step at a time, the sturgal continues.
Q. The trouble is, you don't see how this feels from the other side. You believe this should be a priority for people on the "other" side. You feel they (we) are failing for not prioritising it. And you get that message across quite well. But it doesn't make people want to hold up YOUR bridge for you. It is not a shared enterprise. The key to solving the geek problem us to get people feeling it is their own issue. For that we really do need to understand what it is. Communication isn't an irritating formality. It is the thing and the whole of the thing...
A. Its basic stuff that you are talking about the #encryptionst project what relevences has this for the #4opens #OMN project that am talking about. Please think before ansering.
Q. OK, I give up. You don't listen to people and you are terrible at expressing your ideas. Which is a shame, because I think it is a good project. But I am unfollowing because I am sick if your abuse. If the is anyone else even interested in this project, maybe you should get them to do the public talking about it and get on with something back end.
A. Well you did not think much with that reply. If the is only trolling here then yes you are right best to unfallow.
Q. people who are trying to share and communicate their views + concerns are not trolls... you are going to have alot of trouble helping to develop a #4opens movement, if you do not even try to listen to valid issues and other voices.
A. am not saying she is trolling, I am saying this is terning into a tolling converation. Easey to misudstan this on #failbook were trolling is the norm.
Q. um, your critique of people who might have serious critiques of the tech environments ( i.e. the "cybernetic regime" + "technofascism" as related to the material requirements for ALL high tech industries ) as a whole ( is hardly in all cases, a zero/negative understanding )... i appreciate the work you are doing, but would advise you keep your EARS open to those who understand things that maybe you don't... and best wishes for the #4opens work !
A. The problem with this is that in the way you seem to understand it and definitely in the way you SAY it is simply irrelevant to what we are trying to build with the #OMN could not say this in a more direct and simple way. It's very basic stuff, think we all agree with what you are saying, but the is little common understanding of its relevance as you say it for #OMN and #indymedia reboot. Q. Why are these #fashernist agenders talking about the #dotcons relevant to a human moderated #4opens grassroots on the ground media network? please think before answering.
Q. btw, did you just write your message to me on a device made from labor in various sweatshops, and made from conflict minerals + resource wars !? ... this is NOT basic stuff, the entire digital culture in not the immaterial myth people were led to think it is... it is highly problematic ! … and it is on a constant infinite growth path, and is helping to accelerate the crash of the biosphere we need to survive.. these are all #geekproblems ... which are almost always ignored by the geeks… sure we need tactical tech, but we also need to rethink what we are doing in these environments... this is NOT the same delusional 1990s my friend :)
A. yes that's all true.
Q. I ve been keeping from saying it but I don't find your words annoying or insulting or arrogant at all. I value your tenacity and it motivates me to keep busy trying to understand and looking for solutions to be useful to the project but i'm not much skilled for any of it.