How do we use trust and OMN tools to address SPAM and trolls. #4
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Pratt, troll, monster is the norm on #failbook and #dotcons in general. Our use of them has shifted social truth. How to we start to shift this back #OMN
Note: am more focused on the social rather than individual. Yes #failbook is used by us as individuals. But it easy to ignare that it has unaccountable power to change us and shape us as communitys, groups and socierty. This is actually a technical and UI issue created by business models that are pushed by a #deathcult flavor of Capitalism.
What tools do we need in a #4opens distributed trust/flow envirement
In a news workflow there will need to be people reviewing articles before they get posted. Otherwise it will be overrun by trolls and spam. Perhaps there could be an automated check on upload just to rule out the most obvious kinds of spam, and data from reviewers could train that model (like anti-spam systems).
I guess that the reviewers would be volunteers who had been vetted in some way. Removing reviewers should maybe be subject to a vote by the others.
If anyone can upload anything then I'm pretty sure that alt-right types would exploit that quickly.
Good subject to bring up.
The idea is to use human moderation flows as a feture to spread federation wider. Each flow has to first be created then is eather trusted - ie the are going to keep posting good stuff or moderated that sometimes they post good stuff.
So the syteam only scales if human beings reach out to each other to build trust links. If everything stayes on moderated then the work load soon becomes unmanagable or the site is over run by irelavence or spam. in both cases the site seses to be usefull. This is a core feture of the network to push human scale federated trust communertys.
The only way to get a usefull site is to build a big healthy communerty (with wide groups of admins and modertaers) or a small focues trust group based on quality choice of conections/links/flows. Both are good outcomes, and what the OMN is about building.
If we build in automation then we will have lots of middling quality sites that are borderline usefull. A signal to noise issue. The will be less motivation to spesherlise and the network will likly fail becouse of this.
less is more is a core of the project. The #geekproblem is the desire to improve the network with better tools ;)
Spam and low quality posts have to find a way to flow into the network and when they are in they need to then flow to the quality parts of the network.
The problem we face is that the might not be any sites alowing new content in... so this will lead to the need to setup more outliying sites and spread the network wider and narrow the focues of these new sites to keep admin down, spreading the network wider and narrowing the focus etc.
You see a organic grouth of base sites narrow/local/subject to middle sites regional/topic to top sites outreach/mainstreaming.
The bootem sites feedup to the top sites both by quality tags subject feeds and aggregation editoreal articals. In both cases these directly link back to the bootem content sites.
The tredtional value priromid is reversed - the top sites are easey to setup and admin but hard to add value to. The middle sites are the core of the project sifting and adding value vier aggregation. All the true value lies at the base were the publishing happens :)
The very common desire to spam and spread shit is a feture to build communertys, with out this why reach out to trust each other, why build a network to keep it out and as a result push the good stuff to the top.
if that makes sense?
hummm not sure of that makes sense to you guys? try agen humans like to get togather to overcome problems. Geeks like to remove the problems useing "blackbox" tecnolagy, so the is nothing for humans to overcome and we then become slaves to the people paying the geeks who controle the "blackboxs" its were we are now.
The #4opens in part is about not building blackboxs.
Geeks, geeks.. geeks... you keep on attacking geeks as if you dont need us.. what a waste of energy. please.
write something else like.. bears or wolfs.. not geeks.. 👓
@ajeremias likely a reasonable issue regarding a lack of clear definition.
We probably need a page with commonly used terms and permises within OMN and what we mean by them.
I would however, second finding a different word to 'geek', when used to describe a negative trait.
The #geekproblem is what i talk about in this threid - am not talking about geek culture - just an aspect of it were it comes to opentools dev that is clearly blocked :)
The unite/indymedia/omn project is about moveing past this block...
http://hamishcampbell.com/index.php/tag/geekproblem/